Common FDA, start doing your job and get rid of all of those Waiora MLM distributors who are making outrageous claims about how their product, which is volcanic ash made up primarily out of aluminum silicate, cures cancer. They go on to cite a study, which no one has any details about or any way of verifying the claim, which makes a ridiculous statement telling us that the product cured cancer in a number of late-stage patients.
Instead of going after minor violators of their rules, the FDA and the FTC need to stop this type of deceitful marketing. To read a couple of good pieces of information about Natural Cellular Defense aka Zeolite, click here and then here.
Don’t waste your money on what amounts to ground up ash.
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Pat Sullivan Blog // Aug 23, 2006 at 8:18 am
Zeolites another MLM scam or health miracle?…
(Posted by Patrick Sullivan Jr.) Mark Schauss calls on the FDA to do some regulatin’ of Zeolites by Waiora. Pat and I are no fans of MLM (direct sales) health companies. But I have to admit, Zeolites really intrigues me. If there are studies, I’d lik…
jh2001 // Dec 22, 2006 at 11:00 am
I just finished research for college Bio class on NCD (liquid zeolite) and MLM companies who sell products without proper license, proper approval, no credentials, and how they endanger the air quality and a persons health. I did a thorough investigation of the company and the product. I was extremely disturbed by the findings.
The lab link was the only thing I could not find. I am interested in the lab results but I don’t really understand what it means. Clearly, it doesn’t contain clinoptilolite, zeolites, correct?
Are these recommended or safe levels for the chemicals on the lab report. Also, what are the dangers associated with the combined chemicals in the report. Carcenogenic? Anemic? Affect your hemoglobin? Is it possible for someone “who is normally healthy, fit, and likes to try new supplements” to use this product for an extended period of time and become deathly ill?
Mark Schauss // Dec 22, 2006 at 11:16 am
My understanding is that there a number of studies ongoing about NCD but as someone who has been in the industry for a long time, studies can be made to say anything. I’ll have to look at any research lab wise very carefully before making any other judgements.
Gut intuition tells me that NCD will show some benefits but nothing near what the distributors are claiming.
As for danger signs, I don’t thing it is risky. The real danger is the loss of money from ones pocket for this vastly overpriced pile of volcanic ash.
jh2001 // Dec 22, 2006 at 12:18 pm
My gut agrees with yours. Unfortunately, I have yet to find anything that says it won’t hurt. My research shows the potential dangers. My inquiry about the chemicals come from, “what if” you couldn’t find the lab(OSHA approved) or licensed distribution center(OSHA approved), no PhD credentials, phony statements regarding research as stated by the owner, no verifable info regarding the company employees, sec fraud, “unverifiable” listing with the white pages, and a google earth snapshot that does verify a big house and a great big pool as a company listing.
If this kind of company starts with clinoptilolite, I assume they have ordered in bulk from mines, in its powder form, the MSDS has some safety reg’s on transport, handling, and manufacturing. The info above combined with manufacturing and distribution is already potentially hazardous to several. Have you seen the “BioPerformance Case” from the Attorney General in Dallas, dated May 2006. If not, its a good read on irresponsible MLM companies. My concern is “the company + the product.” If the company is bogus, can’t trust the product.
Thank you and look forward to further posts regarding the lab info.
Mark Schauss // Dec 22, 2006 at 3:38 pm
jh2001, your comments are quite disturbing. While I haven’t looked that deeply into NCD/zeolite, I am troubled by their lack of safety studies.
One lab test I have seen shows that there are appreciable traces of aluminum in the product, something I am very much against.
MLMs have to greatly increase prices over cost in order to keep the pyramid scheme going. The cost of zeolite is ridiculously low. They charge proposterously high prices. Put those two things together and you get a rip-off
jh2001 // Dec 22, 2006 at 7:10 pm
Circumstances often motivate the consumers depth of research. The “what if’s” could be realities for some..emergency surgeries, permanent health problems, life threatening health issues, etc. Those are very real things.
Fortunately, the blogosphere is a venue chalked full of informative sites like yours-kudos! Unfortunately, the blogosphere can be a scary “public venue” of staunch supporters for profit. Somewhere in the middle, the consumer finds the right place to share this kind of information, locate a private venue, email, or info that points them in the right direction
Keep it up!
Maureen // Aug 14, 2008 at 10:09 am
Zeolite – Much less dangerous for human consumption than CHEMOTHERAPY! What unholy data would promote the toxic ingredients in chemotherapy, which, by the way, is only approx. 2% effective out of the whole population diagnosed with stage 3 or 4 cancer. Chemo kills all cells and they cannot rejuvinate themselves w/o some nutritional assistance. Get REAL! The medical and pharmaceutical industries have created an industry perputating disease and have created a legal industy that makes billions upon billions of dollars OFF OF THE DIRECT ANIHILATION OF THE HUMAN RACE, I SAY, DIRECT purposeful poisoning of society, and have lied to all of us for the purpose of a blankin’ $. Who cares about sacred life and love? It’s all about blood money and who can breed the most human vehicles for their evil, self-centered, greedy, blankin’ lies. Chemo is much more toxic to the human body than any organic compound such as Zeolite. Whatever happened to true love and service? You’ve been mentally raped by society. And you condone and lie to get the almighty blankin buck regardless if it violates the Divine Plan. Get honest! Fact vs wisdom, life, and love. Forgive them Great Creation, for they know not what they do.
Mark Schauss // Aug 20, 2008 at 10:41 am
While I agree with you Maureen that chemotherapy is not the most effective treatment for cancer and has caused untold harm and pain to many, zeolite is not the answer. There is absolutely no evidence it does anything to benefit cancer patients. Nothing.
Instead of a vitriolic condemnation of me personally, how about showing some evidence that zeolite works and I don’t mean the tales of cures that are never substantiated.
What is sad about your comments is the lack of understanding my point of view. No where do I ever condone or lie about the pharmaceutical industry do I? If anything I rail against them over and over.
Before you condemn, get your facts straight.
jonpnnll49 // Sep 1, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Hello Mark
I would like to know where the Waiora company is stating that Liquid Zeolite cures cancer. The only one I have found is on the FDA site which you can check out yourself. Yes there has been an extensive study done on a certain zeolite ‘clinoptilolite’ which the human body can ingest with no side effect other than dehydration. I really don’t know if you will post this on your web site seeing tho I have giving you information to check out. Here is tyhe FDA patent number to look over and respond to your readers.
Patent # 6288045 Do enjoy your reading
jonpnnll49 // Sep 1, 2008 at 1:51 pm
yes the FDA have done their job well
jonpnnll49 // Sep 1, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Please do not debunk a company unless you know your facts about them.
Mark Schauss // Sep 2, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Jon,
First off, I know a lot about the company. Secondly, I did not say Waiora is saying anything about cancer treatment but a whole lot of the sales people out there have, and often. The FDA has closed down a bunch of their sites.
Show me all the research studies on human effects of zeolite. It is poorly done, with some of the worst methodology I have seen. The patent is meaningless and I have already read it.
I have talked to top scientists like Dr. Boyd Haley who found no activity with zeolite and mercury.
Over priced and way over hyped. Just another MLM trying to make a lot of money.
Rayzor // Sep 9, 2008 at 10:11 am
Hey Mark, thanks for your blog.
I agree with some of the points you are making, but both sides of this issue are being exagerated, and that leaves anyone looking for the truth in a bind.
What is the full story behind Dr. Haley’s experiments? Are you referring to his test tube experiments with the centrifuged Mercury mixed with the Zeolite soution? Is that the same as testing actual excretion levels in a human?
How did Dr. Haley conclude that Zeolite cannot remove Mercury from a living organism when his experiments were in a test tube?
Was Dr. Haley’s experiment done with Mercury of the EXACT form found in humans, or was it another variation? Was it elemental Mercury? Did it have a charge? Can test tube experiments, performed with a different type of Mercury lead to inaccurate conclusions about actual Zeolite activity in a living person?
There are instances of slimy practices from both sides of the fence. That does not make it correct to demand rigorous standards of research for some products, and then use sloppy research to make a point we believe in.
The claims about Zeolite and Mercury are straightforward: They say the Zeolite helps eliminate Mercury through the urine in real, living people, by a factor of up to twelve.
The study supposedly included some coal miners with very high levels of Mercury. Those are real people, who work in very difficult circumstances, and who stand to suffer greatly due to their situation.
Why not wait for the paper to come out, and see what their results are?
While I’m frustrated that it has been at least two years and the paper is still not published, I wouldn’t want to be the one to write off the product as bogus knowing that there are many people (coal miners included) who may benefit greatly from a non toxic way to eliminate heavy metals.
As for the marketing ploys, patents, and so on…I agree with you. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.
Rayzor
Mark Schauss // Sep 9, 2008 at 11:34 am
You mentioned the coal miners study and that it is on real people which is true. Problem is how do we know that using vitamin C wouldn’t get an even higher excretion than Zeolite? DMSA will remove mercury and it is proven and if used right is very safe.
The paper they claim is coming is ridiculously delayed. They made comments on newsgroups that the release was imminent 2-3 years ago. Why the holdup?
Until they show real research, it cannot be said to chelate anything safely as there is no proof.
Rayzor // Sep 9, 2008 at 8:38 pm
I agree entirely that there is no way to know without peer reviewed research. I saw one protocol which used Vit C and DMSA which yielded a 69% reduction in urine Mercury by provocation (Alternative Therapies, May/June 2006).
If the Zeolite study falls short of that, and is more expensive, and has not had long term safety studies, I wouldn’t go near it for my own use. If they can produce peer reviewed figures which exceed the known response from existing therapies, I’d want to take a closer look.
Mark- thank you for what you wrote about the DMSA and Vit C. We have a 7 year old with high levels of Mercury in his urine, and we’ve just started to check these therapies out.
We’ve seen one M.D., a nurse practitioner, and an acupuncturist, but none of them have mentioned the protocol I found thanks to your comment on the DMSA and Vit C.
So hats off to you…all the best.
Rayzor
klowry // Oct 19, 2008 at 9:35 am
mark,
so your not saying that the product doesnt work your just saying it cost to much??
cuz your comments are just confusing i dont get what you are trying to say
Mark Schauss // Oct 20, 2008 at 6:15 am
Both. I have seen little evidence that the product works to detoxify heavy metals any better than much cheaper products and proven chelators. The promised studies to show its benefits still have not been published despite years of promises.
Jay // Feb 2, 2009 at 5:12 am
Thanks for this dialogue, Mark. I have Stage 4 melanoma and have taken Waiora for about a year. I have searched and searched for any sort of credible research on the relationship between Waiora and cancer, and I have come up empty. On the other hand, the individual who has sold me the Waiora (about $15 for a 1/2 ounce bottle) tells me stories about people with incurable and terminal cancer who used Waiora and were later cancer-free.
The situation is typical of MLM schemes. I am looking daily for ways to treat myself, and people who sell Waiora love to meet people like me. High-priced product, wonderful claims of benefits, no back-up.
Jay
Ana // Feb 13, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Mark, what do you say about all the people that report better health (mental clarity, more energy, etc.) after taking NCD? I ask because my research comes only from the internet and there’s an awful lot of people saying they actually feel benefits. I’m truly interested in your opinion. Thanks.
Mark Schauss // Feb 13, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Ana,
It could very well be the placebo effect here. It is an extremely powerful effect and can do amazing things. The problem is most people who are disappointed with the results or show bad reactions are less likely to post messages than those who think they are improving.
When you deal with a multi-level marketing company, it gets worse. They will go to great lengths to deny the bad and prop up the good. I have been cursed by the NCD people like you wouldn’t believe.
kedzi // Mar 1, 2009 at 10:52 pm
This is a totally bogus blog. The White Paper arrives this week for your information. There are no claims that Waiora’s Zeolite cures Cancer, as there is no drug that Cures Cancer…it’s always been and always will be our own bodies that cure Cancer.
Mark Schauss // Mar 2, 2009 at 12:09 am
There is no claim made by Waiora itself about cancer but we have seen numerous cases where they feed their minions, which you seem to be one of, the cancer cure testimonials which can never be verified. Please, if you are a Waiora MLM member, don’t waste your time here. Oh, wait, do, because it bumps my blog site up the Google list and shows people what a scam you are.
Mark Schauss // Mar 2, 2009 at 12:10 am
Oh and that White Paper, it has been promised for years. I can’t wait to see what nonsense they claim this time if it ever comes out.
Mariam Jensen // Mar 19, 2009 at 7:49 am
Well who pays your salary Mark. If all information is bogus if unsubstantiated how do we know you don’t work for..say, the American Cancer Society or a drug conglomerate. Your just a little to gleeful about NOT finding evidence of efficacy of the zeolite claims for my liking.
Mark Schauss // Mar 19, 2009 at 8:03 am
I actually work for myself. I take no funding from any outside organization and am, if you bothered to read my blog, very critical of groups like Big Pharma. At my lectures, many will tell you I am very vocal in my criticism of the American Cancer Society. Who pays you and where do you derive your income? Waiora? Zeolite sales?
I find it interesting that so much criticism is pointed my way about my distrust of zeolite yet to this date, we still don’t see any studies or any evidence except testimonials that zeolite works. Show me the evidence and I’ll back down otherwise the criticism is extremely hollow.
naturalist // Apr 3, 2009 at 3:24 pm
My sister fights an ER- PR- stage 3 BC without any chemo or rad so far. She was diagnosed on Febr.2008, she took a lot of supplements for a year (including zeolite from http://www.liquidzeolitecompany.com/) and finally she had an RFA+surgery and removed her tumor (but no mastectomy).
Now she keeps her fight with supplements.
Six weeks ago she did a chemosensitivity test at RGCC. She sent 25ml of blood to this lab, they isolated cancer cells from this sample and they did sensitivity tests on 60 different supplements. They found sensitivity in these compounds: quercetin, c-statin, artesunate , superoxide dismutase (SOD), DCA, paw-paw, ascorbic acid and zeolite. Also zeolite was found synergic with artesunate, and so she is using it in her new protocol with artesunate and other stuff.
I think each cancer is different from the others, and what works for one might work or not work for others. I also think that chemosensitivity tests are a smart move for people using supplements in their fight.
newlily // Apr 27, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Zeoactiv8 zeolite should be banned. Firsthand experience has shown me that it actually feeds cancer. The “Natural Preservative” in it is so sickly sweet is an immediate danger signal. In the five cases I have seen 4 passed away early using zeoactiv8. I don’t know about other zeolites but this zeoactiv8 needs to investigated. Maybe all of them should show what heavy metals are in them done by an independent lab so we stop all this smoke and mirrors about zeolite.
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